Using a VPN in China can actually be legal, but the requirements are so high

Interesting! So I guess that you can access some of our country news la infobae and such?

They’re already consuming unhealthy amount of copium on douyin

Consuming human rights? I’m trying to think about it for a minute, but your thoughts might just be too advanced.

Funny thing is western democratic countries will adopt some form of censorship in the near future. With “dangers of AI” and fake news they will start censoring content. It will start with some form of digital identity.

I’m not advocating for totalitarian per se, but the western world hasn’t exactly proven them wrong on that account…

https://www.12377.cn/xzfg/2020/7f441527_web.html

第六条 计算机信息网络直接进行国际联网,必须使用邮电部国家公用电信网提供的国际出入口信道。
任何单位和个人不得自行建立或者使用其他信道进行国际联网。

Article 6 Computer information networks that directly conduct international networking must use the international entrance and exit channels provided by the national public telecommunications network of the Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications.

No unit or individual may establish or use other channels for international networking.

So your using one approved by the state? Which means it aint actually a vpn seeing they still share the data :).

Long answer: Using a VPN in China is not officially illegal. China allows VPN providers to operate as long as they cooperate with the state, which defeats the privacy purpose of having a VPN in the first place.

Your also making one absolutely fatal flaw , your talking about a system where there is no rule of law. So even if you havent done anything wrong by the law it rly doesn’t matter that much seeing you cant rly protect yourself .

It is exceptionally rare for defendants to be acquitted and the conviction rate in Chinese courts stood at 99.95 per cent last year, according to the Law Yearbook of China.

In 2017, a man named Wu Xiangyang was sentenced to five and a half years in prison, and fined 500,000 yuan, for selling the software. In June, Radio Free Asia reported that a Uyghur student, Mehmut Memtimin, was serving a 13-year sentence in Xinjiang for using a VPN to access “illegal information”.

Ma said he only used a VPN to access Zoom for meetings and that most of his work, which uses GitHub, could be done without scaling the firewall.

There is a 99.99% chance nothing will happen but if they want to use it , they will seeing you are breaking their law ( seeing you would be a moron to use a china approved vpn seeing then its not rly a vpn ) but if they decide to enforce the rule more active you have a problem :).

You’re 100% correct on this. I challenge anyone to show me that using a VPN is illegal. I’ve been here 9 years and used one EVERY day of those 9 years.

I also have a green card - you think I was able to get the hardest green card in the world, and they didn’t check my accounts and stuff?

Same dudes here who argue about how totalitarian China is are going to at the same time argue they don’t bother doing due diligence.

What a joke this sub is.

Posible, solamente sitios tipo New York time, BBC no se pueden

most likely it’s for things like email so that you can contact the foreign customers you’re trying to sell stuff to

Let’s not pretend that that is equivalent to what China is doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/08/eu-agrees-historic-deal-with-worlds-first-laws-to-regulate-ai

Maybe, maybe not. But it’s still nothing like the blanket censorship that’s been enforced by CCP. Kinda like the Xi Pooh memes lol

it’s not like the chinese internet isn’t packed full of dumb shit

thanks for posting a confirmation-- there are things its illegal to use vpn to do, but vpn itself is not illegal, this law is the “things to do” part and nothing on vpn itself.

Just as the starter, VPN is purely regulated when it’s done for business, when you use yourself that’s perfectly fine. It’s some odd myth that just keeps on circling on social media that individuals can’t have a VPN.

For companies as OP stated it’s also no hassle. It comes at a cost both financially but also privacy wise as you can imagine the line may not be that secure when going through designated parties. Other than that, you can as well your company can just get a VPN.

For people who get fucked with a VPN, typically as your own examples “illegal information”, whatever that could be who knows. But if you use your VPN to pornhub, nothing to worry.

I didn’t use a vpn in china at all actually, because I didn’t have a need to use non chinese stuff while I was there, I just used local part of the internet etc. I don’t use a vpn to access chinese stuff now from outside of china either. Obviously people have need for a vpn for a variety of reasons but I am not one of them. And china has absolutely zero issue getting your info, including the info you are using a vpn, regardless of whether you are using an officiallyapproved one or not-- just in case there is any misunderstanding there. If they cared they will know in a heartbeat, they just don’t normally care because again, its not illegal and why would they.

What you say anout punishment has absolutely nothing to do with a vpn, all chinese law has that possibility literally written in. Which you may be okay with or you may hate, but regardless its not logical to act like its a vpn thing-- its a slim possibility to get in trouble for stuff that is not illegal thing.

Following the logic you posted, breathing, existing, and everything else under the sun is illegal because there’s theoretically a tiny tiny chance to get in trouble for it even though it isn’t actually illegal.

This is not a very useful frame of reference to have, to say the least.

Isn’t it more like “illegal” but most of them just use it for personal entertainment so the authorities just don’t give a damn about it? I’ve seen several nsfw animators got arrested for posting 3d porn on Japanese site.

See my comment above. You are defintely using it illegal. Just because it aint enforced does not mean its not illegal.

and they didn’t check my accounts and stuff?

You mean they took your phone to get the greencard and went through all your private mails and whatnot? Ooh interesting seeing otherwise the argument holds no ground whatsoever seeing then you assume each person applying will get a state security lvl background check?

No they will probably look at your social media , not care you might use a vpn seeing it aint enforced ( as you know very common in China to only enforce laws when its pushed by the central government).

Same dudes here who argue about how totalitarian China is are going to at the same time argue they don’t bother doing due diligence.

totalitarianism

​the principles and practices of a political system in which there is only one party, which has complete power and control over the people

You might wanna read up on the definition seeing it is literally how the Chinese government is set up :slight_smile: and you claiming it isn’t says more about your moral standards then of people on this sub :).

What a joke this sub is.

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